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		<title>By: hari</title>
		<link>http://www.redpepper.org.uk/tottenham-this-is-what-you-get-fire/#comment-17804</link>
		<dc:creator>hari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2011 14:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lierre Keith:

&quot;I would urge the following distinctions, the violence of hierarchy vs. the violence of self-defense, violence against actual people vs. violence against property, and the violence as self-actualization vs. the violence of political resistance.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lierre Keith:</p>
<p>&#8220;I would urge the following distinctions, the violence of hierarchy vs. the violence of self-defense, violence against actual people vs. violence against property, and the violence as self-actualization vs. the violence of political resistance.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Tadd</title>
		<link>http://www.redpepper.org.uk/tottenham-this-is-what-you-get-fire/#comment-17773</link>
		<dc:creator>Tadd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 21:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[People obviously have no idea how insurance works.

You have a premium you pay, we all get that.
Something happens to your property - say a riot. Got it.
You cash in on your insurance, get things repaired - we&#039;re all together here.

Your premium goes up.
The premiums for your area go up, not just for Joe but for Steve, Betty, Lori, Paul, etc etc etc.

Insurance is great when you have it, but after things like this - companies go out of business, insurance companies run out of funds to pay for damages, people lose jobs, costs of products sky rocket, people lose houses, get sick from malnutrition .

So, in the end .. does burning down a business physically hurt anyone?

Yes, it does.

It&#039;s a big world picture kids.

Not to mention, what does the community have anything to do with the IPCC or the shooting? Is it &quot;PC World&#039;s&quot; fault that happened? Will burning down PC World change anything? The answer is no. It will most definitely not. What the looting and rioting does is create a militaristic police state.

Great job. You just gave police MORE power, which is what you are supposedly fighting against.

Rather than acting out, use some logic and brain power. Not fire bombs and destruction.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People obviously have no idea how insurance works.</p>
<p>You have a premium you pay, we all get that.<br />
Something happens to your property &#8211; say a riot. Got it.<br />
You cash in on your insurance, get things repaired &#8211; we&#8217;re all together here.</p>
<p>Your premium goes up.<br />
The premiums for your area go up, not just for Joe but for Steve, Betty, Lori, Paul, etc etc etc.</p>
<p>Insurance is great when you have it, but after things like this &#8211; companies go out of business, insurance companies run out of funds to pay for damages, people lose jobs, costs of products sky rocket, people lose houses, get sick from malnutrition .</p>
<p>So, in the end .. does burning down a business physically hurt anyone?</p>
<p>Yes, it does.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a big world picture kids.</p>
<p>Not to mention, what does the community have anything to do with the IPCC or the shooting? Is it &#8220;PC World&#8217;s&#8221; fault that happened? Will burning down PC World change anything? The answer is no. It will most definitely not. What the looting and rioting does is create a militaristic police state.</p>
<p>Great job. You just gave police MORE power, which is what you are supposedly fighting against.</p>
<p>Rather than acting out, use some logic and brain power. Not fire bombs and destruction.</p>
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		<title>By: Symon</title>
		<link>http://www.redpepper.org.uk/tottenham-this-is-what-you-get-fire/#comment-17755</link>
		<dc:creator>Symon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 13:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reading some of the commentary in the news today, Shoot them,they are trash,they are vermin etc. makes me laugh how much they sound like Gaddafi when the so called rebels did far far worse that what the rioters and looters are doing on our streets today.

Yet we are currently bombing the hell out of Libya in support of the rebels who include al-qaeda elements.

Did people really think that the absolute plunder of the global economy by the criminal financial class, the too big to fails who our governments answer too, would not lead to unrest here has it has in Spain, Greece, France Ireland, Eastern Europe, and now even Israel.

The way we vent our frustrations has is its own unique character which, is reflective of the selfish, materialistic, consumerist, botox on credit, culture that we have fostered over the last several decades.

America&#039;s frustrations will be vented in much the same way since the US and UK have been subjected to exactly the same social engineering agendas.




are vented have th]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading some of the commentary in the news today, Shoot them,they are trash,they are vermin etc. makes me laugh how much they sound like Gaddafi when the so called rebels did far far worse that what the rioters and looters are doing on our streets today.</p>
<p>Yet we are currently bombing the hell out of Libya in support of the rebels who include al-qaeda elements.</p>
<p>Did people really think that the absolute plunder of the global economy by the criminal financial class, the too big to fails who our governments answer too, would not lead to unrest here has it has in Spain, Greece, France Ireland, Eastern Europe, and now even Israel.</p>
<p>The way we vent our frustrations has is its own unique character which, is reflective of the selfish, materialistic, consumerist, botox on credit, culture that we have fostered over the last several decades.</p>
<p>America&#8217;s frustrations will be vented in much the same way since the US and UK have been subjected to exactly the same social engineering agendas.</p>
<p>are vented have th</p>
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		<title>By: Caleb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caleb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 04:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If I break your window (a property damage), would you consider it a violence act?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I break your window (a property damage), would you consider it a violence act?</p>
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		<title>By: Merrick</title>
		<link>http://www.redpepper.org.uk/tottenham-this-is-what-you-get-fire/#comment-17736</link>
		<dc:creator>Merrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2011 22:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Hannah, &quot;Excellent impartial reporting here…ahem. Note the lack of reporting that Duggan was himself armed and fired at the police officers first as we indeed know to be true.&quot;

Erm, &quot;There is no evidence Mark Duggan opened fire at police before being shot dead by a firearms officer, the Independent Police Complaints Commission has said.&quot;
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14459516

But he must have been armed and shot, because the police said so. 

And Ian Tomlinson had a heart attack and police tried to help but were pelted with bottles. 

And Jean Charles de Menezes was wearing a bulky jacket on a hot day, vaulted the barrier and ran away from police shouting at him to stop.

They kill, then they smear their victims to cover it up. How many proven cases does it take before you stop being spoonfed the police&#039;s bullshit?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Hannah, &#8220;Excellent impartial reporting here…ahem. Note the lack of reporting that Duggan was himself armed and fired at the police officers first as we indeed know to be true.&#8221;</p>
<p>Erm, &#8220;There is no evidence Mark Duggan opened fire at police before being shot dead by a firearms officer, the Independent Police Complaints Commission has said.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14459516" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14459516</a></p>
<p>But he must have been armed and shot, because the police said so. </p>
<p>And Ian Tomlinson had a heart attack and police tried to help but were pelted with bottles. </p>
<p>And Jean Charles de Menezes was wearing a bulky jacket on a hot day, vaulted the barrier and ran away from police shouting at him to stop.</p>
<p>They kill, then they smear their victims to cover it up. How many proven cases does it take before you stop being spoonfed the police&#8217;s bullshit?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous reply</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous reply</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2011 21:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I guess you must be talking about these folks

&quot;Sept. 15 Tribunal to hear evidence on Elizabeth Windsor and Pope Ratzinger culpability in crimes against humanity, and child trafficking&quot;

http://exopolitics.blogs.com/breaking_news/2011/06/download-revkevinannetitccsorg.html

kept that quiet didn&#039;t they]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess you must be talking about these folks</p>
<p>&#8220;Sept. 15 Tribunal to hear evidence on Elizabeth Windsor and Pope Ratzinger culpability in crimes against humanity, and child trafficking&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://exopolitics.blogs.com/breaking_news/2011/06/download-revkevinannetitccsorg.html" rel="nofollow">http://exopolitics.blogs.com/breaking_news/2011/06/download-revkevinannetitccsorg.html</a></p>
<p>kept that quiet didn&#8217;t they</p>
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		<title>By: Jerri R.</title>
		<link>http://www.redpepper.org.uk/tottenham-this-is-what-you-get-fire/#comment-17730</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerri R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2011 21:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So trashing a store and stealing what&#039;s inside will bring Mark Duggan back to life?  Tipping over cars and setting fires is going to bring comfort to his family?  His four children are going to understand that this is all for their dad somehow?  All of this terrifying rioting going on is going to help them go on with their lives--how?

These rioters don&#039;t want any good to come of this man&#039;s senseless death.  If they did, they&#039;d be helping out his family instead of helping themselves to flat screen TVs and jewelry. This is self indulgence and opportunism plain and simple, not some honorable movement against injustice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So trashing a store and stealing what&#8217;s inside will bring Mark Duggan back to life?  Tipping over cars and setting fires is going to bring comfort to his family?  His four children are going to understand that this is all for their dad somehow?  All of this terrifying rioting going on is going to help them go on with their lives&#8211;how?</p>
<p>These rioters don&#8217;t want any good to come of this man&#8217;s senseless death.  If they did, they&#8217;d be helping out his family instead of helping themselves to flat screen TVs and jewelry. This is self indulgence and opportunism plain and simple, not some honorable movement against injustice.</p>
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		<title>By: Get your facts straight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Get your facts straight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2011 15:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The known facts are that the father-of-four was shot twice in the face on Thursday by a police officer wielding a Heckler &amp; Koch MP5 sub-machine gun. (Few have rushed to condemn that violence.)&quot;

I&#039;m a little confused with your definition of known facts? If by known facts you mean wild and completely inaccurate speculation then you&#039;re spot on. However there is no truth in your claims that he was shot in the head or in fact laying face down on the floor when he was shot.

And as for your comment &quot;Property damage is not violence - it doesn&#039;t physically hurt anybody.&quot;, lets see how much you like it when someone smashes up your house/business/car for no reason and you&#039;re left to pick up the pieces!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The known facts are that the father-of-four was shot twice in the face on Thursday by a police officer wielding a Heckler &amp; Koch MP5 sub-machine gun. (Few have rushed to condemn that violence.)&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a little confused with your definition of known facts? If by known facts you mean wild and completely inaccurate speculation then you&#8217;re spot on. However there is no truth in your claims that he was shot in the head or in fact laying face down on the floor when he was shot.</p>
<p>And as for your comment &#8220;Property damage is not violence &#8211; it doesn&#8217;t physically hurt anybody.&#8221;, lets see how much you like it when someone smashes up your house/business/car for no reason and you&#8217;re left to pick up the pieces!</p>
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		<title>By: Mira</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2011 13:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This article disgusts me. Clearly, you seem to have lost the plot. Yes, the rioters were on the streets in Tottenham to protests the killing of a young man but what it has become is beyond that. It is useless, good for nothing, young people who have no sense of morality and culture using this as a means of getting free things and having a bit of in their words &quot;fun.&quot; Please do not support such activity by producing such a piece of crap that is your article.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article disgusts me. Clearly, you seem to have lost the plot. Yes, the rioters were on the streets in Tottenham to protests the killing of a young man but what it has become is beyond that. It is useless, good for nothing, young people who have no sense of morality and culture using this as a means of getting free things and having a bit of in their words &#8220;fun.&#8221; Please do not support such activity by producing such a piece of crap that is your article.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
		<link>http://www.redpepper.org.uk/tottenham-this-is-what-you-get-fire/#comment-17707</link>
		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2011 04:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My answer to you is here: http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/notes/george-chilton/im-young-im-poor-and-i-want/10150333665983688]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My answer to you is here: <a href="http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/notes/george-chilton/im-young-im-poor-and-i-want/10150333665983688" rel="nofollow">http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/notes/george-chilton/im-young-im-poor-and-i-want/10150333665983688</a></p>
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