Comments on: Jeremy Hardy thinks… about a planned economy http://www.redpepper.org.uk/jeremy-hardy-planned-economy/ Red Pepper Sat, 16 Feb 2013 17:28:54 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Pete http://www.redpepper.org.uk/jeremy-hardy-planned-economy/#comment-38357 Pete Sun, 29 Jan 2012 13:25:28 +0000 http://www.redpepper.org.uk/?p=5911#comment-38357 What economic framework would actually allow us to plan for human well-being within the ecological limits set by nature? Frank Rotering comprehensively addresses this important question in his (free PDF) book entitled Needs and Limits -- a credible pointer to a post-capitalist world. What economic framework would actually allow us to plan for human well-being within the ecological limits set by nature?

Frank Rotering comprehensively addresses this important question in his (free PDF) book entitled Needs and Limits — a credible pointer to a post-capitalist world.

]]> By: Laurence http://www.redpepper.org.uk/jeremy-hardy-planned-economy/#comment-34505 Laurence Sun, 08 Jan 2012 00:39:27 +0000 http://www.redpepper.org.uk/?p=5911#comment-34505 Of course Jeremy is absolutely right, as he always is. We need some effective planning at some level. With respect to who should say what we need, the general guiding principle is that we decide for ourselves, but at the same time, there must be some socially derived guidelines and limits - this is one of the features of living in a society in which we are interdependent, rather than all isolated individuals. The establishing of such guidelines and setting of limits should be subject to democratic processes. This article is trying to counter the widely-held belief that the market is the be-all-and-end-all, and that planning for social good impossible - i.e. the creed that New Labour swallowed after Thatcher. It's high time for some constructive thinking about HOW we can introduce elements of planning and progressive forms of social ownership. Of course Jeremy is absolutely right, as he always is. We need some effective planning at some level. With respect to who should say what we need, the general guiding principle is that we decide for ourselves, but at the same time, there must be some socially derived guidelines and limits – this is one of the features of living in a society in which we are interdependent, rather than all isolated individuals. The establishing of such guidelines and setting of limits should be subject to democratic processes. This article is trying to counter the widely-held belief that the market is the be-all-and-end-all, and that planning for social good impossible – i.e. the creed that New Labour swallowed after Thatcher. It’s high time for some constructive thinking about HOW we can introduce elements of planning and progressive forms of social ownership.

]]> By: Dan Clayton http://www.redpepper.org.uk/jeremy-hardy-planned-economy/#comment-32778 Dan Clayton Sun, 01 Jan 2012 15:53:12 +0000 http://www.redpepper.org.uk/?p=5911#comment-32778 We dont realy need comedians - crap or otherwise. But does this mean we should get rid of them? When Hardy states that 'millions of people have mind-numbing and soul-destroying jobs manufacturing crap we don’t need' I wonder what jobs he wants to get rid of? Is he referring to the production of race horses, formula one cars and luxury yachts? Or is it the small pleasures of ordinary people he's against? Who does he think he is to tell people that some of the things they buy is crap they dont need? Surely radicals have better things to do than inspect people's shopping trolleys. We dont realy need comedians – crap or otherwise. But does this mean we should get rid of them?
When Hardy states that ‘millions of people have mind-numbing and soul-destroying jobs manufacturing crap we don’t need’ I wonder what jobs he wants to get rid of? Is he referring to the production of race horses, formula one cars and luxury yachts? Or is it the small pleasures of ordinary people he’s against? Who does he think he is to tell people that some of the things they buy is crap they dont need?
Surely radicals have better things to do than inspect people’s shopping trolleys.

]]> By: Paul Lockwood http://www.redpepper.org.uk/jeremy-hardy-planned-economy/#comment-28742 Paul Lockwood Thu, 15 Dec 2011 14:50:33 +0000 http://www.redpepper.org.uk/?p=5911#comment-28742 Governments pumping money into the economy simply to make people spend, without regard for what the money is used for, is Keynsianism. Governments pumping money into the economy to ensure that the economy is productive and makes things that are useful for society is socialism. The two are not and never have been the same. Too many people on the left are infatuated with Keynes without really understanding the difference. Governments pumping money into the economy simply to make people spend, without regard for what the money is used for, is Keynsianism. Governments pumping money into the economy to ensure that the economy is productive and makes things that are useful for society is socialism. The two are not and never have been the same. Too many people on the left are infatuated with Keynes without really understanding the difference.

]]> By: Ji http://www.redpepper.org.uk/jeremy-hardy-planned-economy/#comment-28246 Ji Mon, 12 Dec 2011 11:27:11 +0000 http://www.redpepper.org.uk/?p=5911#comment-28246 A planned economy.... Surely this is a comedic line? Hasn't our economy already been planned by the powerful and wealthy to benefit themselves? Also known as, the services sector.... It may not be explicitly planned by a boardroom of autocrats, yet it still remains, we are living in a planned economy, just not the right plans at all. I don't really understand what this article is trying to inform me of. A planned economy…. Surely this is a comedic line? Hasn’t our economy already been planned by the powerful and wealthy to benefit themselves? Also known as, the services sector…. It may not be explicitly planned by a boardroom of autocrats, yet it still remains, we are living in a planned economy, just not the right plans at all. I don’t really understand what this article is trying to inform me of.

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