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	<title>Comments on: Hoping for change: Obama and the limits of elections</title>
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		<title>By: Royal Jelly</title>
		<link>http://www.redpepper.org.uk/hoping-for-change-obama/#comment-120127</link>
		<dc:creator>Royal Jelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 00:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I believe its time Obama stepped in and proved his worth as the most powerful man of our days and interviened in the nonsense of israel vs palestine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe its time Obama stepped in and proved his worth as the most powerful man of our days and interviened in the nonsense of israel vs palestine.</p>
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		<title>By: Cameron James</title>
		<link>http://www.redpepper.org.uk/hoping-for-change-obama/#comment-99519</link>
		<dc:creator>Cameron James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2012 19:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;For socialists the hope that emerged from Obama’s campaign was not in the candidate himself but the coalition of forces that made him and his victory possible. Those forces are still out there. Obama was never going to organise the left opposition himself.&quot; 

Upon reflecting some on what appears to be Younge&#039;s central thesis behind his claim that Obama&#039;s candidacy was the beginning of a process,it appears to be entirely baseless. To justify his claim Younge would need to show historical examples in the U.S. where electoral coalitions continued, prospered and grew after elections were over, and transformed themselves into significant forces for fundamental social change. I challenge Younge to supply us with such examples. I, seeing none, propose that any thesis seeing electoral coalitions as capable of anything but pressuring for one or another set of reforms of existing capitalist relations is false and that the fundamental transformation of the capitalist system cannot and will not emerge from any aspect of the existing U.S. political and electoral process, this most definitely includes left electoral coalitions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;For socialists the hope that emerged from Obama’s campaign was not in the candidate himself but the coalition of forces that made him and his victory possible. Those forces are still out there. Obama was never going to organise the left opposition himself.&#8221; </p>
<p>Upon reflecting some on what appears to be Younge&#8217;s central thesis behind his claim that Obama&#8217;s candidacy was the beginning of a process,it appears to be entirely baseless. To justify his claim Younge would need to show historical examples in the U.S. where electoral coalitions continued, prospered and grew after elections were over, and transformed themselves into significant forces for fundamental social change. I challenge Younge to supply us with such examples. I, seeing none, propose that any thesis seeing electoral coalitions as capable of anything but pressuring for one or another set of reforms of existing capitalist relations is false and that the fundamental transformation of the capitalist system cannot and will not emerge from any aspect of the existing U.S. political and electoral process, this most definitely includes left electoral coalitions.</p>
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		<title>By: vallehombre</title>
		<link>http://www.redpepper.org.uk/hoping-for-change-obama/#comment-99393</link>
		<dc:creator>vallehombre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2012 15:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As either an apologia for Obama or an indictment of the &quot;left&quot; in the USA Younge&#039;s attempt falters onthe basic assumption that elections and political efforts by the citizenry actually matter. This approach assumes the USA is afunctioning Republic based on democratic principles and it just ain&#039;t so. The USA is an empire attempting to maintain a necessary fiction of participatory democracy in order to, hopefully, limit social unrest directed towards a self identified elite who hvae noting but disdain for the demos.

Obama&#039;s appointment to cabinet level positions of the same folks that caused the latest crisis of capitalism is clear evidence of where the powwer lies in the USA. Does the military run the economy or does the economy run the military? The answer is YES.

The real role of whatever remains of a progressive movement in the USA is as a feeble reactionary force struggling to mitigate the worst excesses of an inevitable end result of unrestrained capitalism - endless war.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As either an apologia for Obama or an indictment of the &#8220;left&#8221; in the USA Younge&#8217;s attempt falters onthe basic assumption that elections and political efforts by the citizenry actually matter. This approach assumes the USA is afunctioning Republic based on democratic principles and it just ain&#8217;t so. The USA is an empire attempting to maintain a necessary fiction of participatory democracy in order to, hopefully, limit social unrest directed towards a self identified elite who hvae noting but disdain for the demos.</p>
<p>Obama&#8217;s appointment to cabinet level positions of the same folks that caused the latest crisis of capitalism is clear evidence of where the powwer lies in the USA. Does the military run the economy or does the economy run the military? The answer is YES.</p>
<p>The real role of whatever remains of a progressive movement in the USA is as a feeble reactionary force struggling to mitigate the worst excesses of an inevitable end result of unrestrained capitalism &#8211; endless war.</p>
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		<title>By: Cameron James</title>
		<link>http://www.redpepper.org.uk/hoping-for-change-obama/#comment-98869</link>
		<dc:creator>Cameron James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 23:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Younge is right that it is illogical for anyone serious about fundamental social change to accuse Obama of betrayal. To do so merely suggests their analysis is way wide of the mark with respect to the realities of the U.S. political system. But he is deeply misguided in characterizing the election of Obama as the beginning and not the end of a process. What process has he in mind? Left coalitions that helped elect Obama, he says, are still out there and when they are effective they force Obama to respond. Well, these coalitions, if they ever were effective, are now split and in fact have little to nothing to show for their efforts except a distinct lack of meaningful organizing around capitalism&#039;s collapse during Obama&#039;s 1st term. They apparently were too busy worrying about re-electing Obama again to do their job of independent radical organizing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Younge is right that it is illogical for anyone serious about fundamental social change to accuse Obama of betrayal. To do so merely suggests their analysis is way wide of the mark with respect to the realities of the U.S. political system. But he is deeply misguided in characterizing the election of Obama as the beginning and not the end of a process. What process has he in mind? Left coalitions that helped elect Obama, he says, are still out there and when they are effective they force Obama to respond. Well, these coalitions, if they ever were effective, are now split and in fact have little to nothing to show for their efforts except a distinct lack of meaningful organizing around capitalism&#8217;s collapse during Obama&#8217;s 1st term. They apparently were too busy worrying about re-electing Obama again to do their job of independent radical organizing.</p>
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		<title>By: William Bowles</title>
		<link>http://www.redpepper.org.uk/hoping-for-change-obama/#comment-96715</link>
		<dc:creator>William Bowles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2012 16:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What a waste of space this essay is. Younge is clearly  uncomfortable bashing Obama whose nomination and subsequent election was a stroke of genius on the part of corporate America, risky though it was. Just like Carter a generation before, Obama was only needed for one &#039;election&#039;, long enough to put some space between Bush and the next representative of corporate power. The entire election is a sick, psychopathic joke and I&#039;m disheartened to see Red Pepper wasting space in this way!

Younge says:

&quot;Elections change personnel; politics changes agendas; power is the means by which those agendas are put into action. Getting Obama into the White House was the beginning of a process, not the end. The leap, by many on the left, from disenchantment to accusations of betrayal owes more to emotional and cognitive dissonance than political critique or strategic intervention. His victory, put simply, was the most progressive viable outcome of the 2008 elections – which illustrates not his left credentials but the severe limitations of US electoralism.&quot;

I despair. Obama was a fully paid up member of Chicago&#039;s Democratic machine, and who long ago dumped whatever &#039;progressive&#039; ideas he had in the pursuit of power. That he is &#039;black&#039; is merely skin deep (if you&#039;ll excuse the pun) and pure window dressing. Obama is as expendable as is any other member of the political class.

Having writers like Younge write one, long cop-out for the Man, is ridiculous but par for the course I suppose, given the imperialist nature of the &#039;left&#039; in the UK.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a waste of space this essay is. Younge is clearly  uncomfortable bashing Obama whose nomination and subsequent election was a stroke of genius on the part of corporate America, risky though it was. Just like Carter a generation before, Obama was only needed for one &#8216;election&#8217;, long enough to put some space between Bush and the next representative of corporate power. The entire election is a sick, psychopathic joke and I&#8217;m disheartened to see Red Pepper wasting space in this way!</p>
<p>Younge says:</p>
<p>&#8220;Elections change personnel; politics changes agendas; power is the means by which those agendas are put into action. Getting Obama into the White House was the beginning of a process, not the end. The leap, by many on the left, from disenchantment to accusations of betrayal owes more to emotional and cognitive dissonance than political critique or strategic intervention. His victory, put simply, was the most progressive viable outcome of the 2008 elections – which illustrates not his left credentials but the severe limitations of US electoralism.&#8221;</p>
<p>I despair. Obama was a fully paid up member of Chicago&#8217;s Democratic machine, and who long ago dumped whatever &#8216;progressive&#8217; ideas he had in the pursuit of power. That he is &#8216;black&#8217; is merely skin deep (if you&#8217;ll excuse the pun) and pure window dressing. Obama is as expendable as is any other member of the political class.</p>
<p>Having writers like Younge write one, long cop-out for the Man, is ridiculous but par for the course I suppose, given the imperialist nature of the &#8216;left&#8217; in the UK.</p>
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		<title>By: mat</title>
		<link>http://www.redpepper.org.uk/hoping-for-change-obama/#comment-94047</link>
		<dc:creator>mat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2012 08:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Isn&#039;t the problem that the ways you say Obama responded to the Occupy agenda might be laudable in themselves, but have nothing to do with attacking the power of Wall Street?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t the problem that the ways you say Obama responded to the Occupy agenda might be laudable in themselves, but have nothing to do with attacking the power of Wall Street?</p>
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