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	<title>Comments on: David Harvey interview: The importance of postcapitalist imagination</title>
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		<title>By: peter waterman</title>
		<link>http://www.redpepper.org.uk/david-harvey-interview-the-importance-of-postcapitalist-imagination/#comment-228287</link>
		<dc:creator>peter waterman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Sep 2013 09:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And the other 14-15 contradictions of capitalism are...?

A whole...alternative?...world is watching. 

And my small part of that hoped-for-alternative is assuming or at least hoping that these will address the &#039;non-political-economic&#039; contradictions, such as patriarchy, militarism, anti-ecologism, racism, imperialism, statism, consumptionism (the really, really, popular commodity fetishism)...[fill this space].

And I am hoping, expecting, David&#039;s Full Monty will be distinctly, dramatically, sharper than the waffle of the Kilburn Manifesto (written by people for whom I have individually the greatest respect). [Posted here because discusion is closed there].]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the other 14-15 contradictions of capitalism are&#8230;?</p>
<p>A whole&#8230;alternative?&#8230;world is watching. </p>
<p>And my small part of that hoped-for-alternative is assuming or at least hoping that these will address the &#8216;non-political-economic&#8217; contradictions, such as patriarchy, militarism, anti-ecologism, racism, imperialism, statism, consumptionism (the really, really, popular commodity fetishism)&#8230;[fill this space].</p>
<p>And I am hoping, expecting, David&#8217;s Full Monty will be distinctly, dramatically, sharper than the waffle of the Kilburn Manifesto (written by people for whom I have individually the greatest respect). [Posted here because discusion is closed there].</p>
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		<title>By: Laurence</title>
		<link>http://www.redpepper.org.uk/david-harvey-interview-the-importance-of-postcapitalist-imagination/#comment-228269</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Aug 2013 23:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[- firstly, to Donnard White, you could look at Alex Nove for the development of the Soviet Economy, and an alternative - market socialism - based on this historical analysis.  Another take on the soviet period from Istvan Mészáros
- Harvey&#039;s point about imagining alternatives to neoliberalism is valid, but Nove&#039;s work is a socialist dovetailing with Hayek&#039;s critique of socialist planning: that extreme complexity will defeat planners&#039; best intentions (of course we can add corruption here too).  Alex Nove &#039;imagines&#039; a hybrid system, with commanding heights owned by the state, a significant cooperative sector (mid-sized enterprises) and a private sector of small firms - allowing real-time market decision-making to attempt to meet needs (use values), but overarching democratic control of the economy to stop the kind of irrationalities and overt expliotations we are all familiar with.  I say it&#039;s worth a shot!
- with reference to &#039;basic income&#039;, this is probably only workable if you have a working sense of national/regional community expressing itself in a lived sense of citizenship; this is the kind of social &#039;glue&#039; (to quote Elster, I think) which makes welfare regimes going concerns.  The Athenian city-state that built the Acropolis - a direct democracy - was a community that fought against outsiders, that afforded &#039;members&#039; priveleges, that was proud of its local culture and achievements.  The welfare state&#039;s of northern European post WWII  cpaitalist societies were built around national &#039;insurance&#039; schemes in which citizen-members acceeded to a tax burden partly on the understanding that other citizen-members would &#039;support&#039; them through paying their taxes should they become ill, unemployed - when they retired - etc.
- so &#039;human nature&#039; here does play a part: if a society can achieve enough solidarity (just enough - not total), then a functioning welfare system, based on at least a minimal level of mutal trust - can come into being - so some kind of basic income could be envisaged, but only on bounded in specific national/regional communities with enough of a sense of common citizenship]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>- firstly, to Donnard White, you could look at Alex Nove for the development of the Soviet Economy, and an alternative &#8211; market socialism &#8211; based on this historical analysis.  Another take on the soviet period from Istvan Mészáros<br />
- Harvey&#8217;s point about imagining alternatives to neoliberalism is valid, but Nove&#8217;s work is a socialist dovetailing with Hayek&#8217;s critique of socialist planning: that extreme complexity will defeat planners&#8217; best intentions (of course we can add corruption here too).  Alex Nove &#8216;imagines&#8217; a hybrid system, with commanding heights owned by the state, a significant cooperative sector (mid-sized enterprises) and a private sector of small firms &#8211; allowing real-time market decision-making to attempt to meet needs (use values), but overarching democratic control of the economy to stop the kind of irrationalities and overt expliotations we are all familiar with.  I say it&#8217;s worth a shot!<br />
- with reference to &#8216;basic income&#8217;, this is probably only workable if you have a working sense of national/regional community expressing itself in a lived sense of citizenship; this is the kind of social &#8216;glue&#8217; (to quote Elster, I think) which makes welfare regimes going concerns.  The Athenian city-state that built the Acropolis &#8211; a direct democracy &#8211; was a community that fought against outsiders, that afforded &#8216;members&#8217; priveleges, that was proud of its local culture and achievements.  The welfare state&#8217;s of northern European post WWII  cpaitalist societies were built around national &#8216;insurance&#8217; schemes in which citizen-members acceeded to a tax burden partly on the understanding that other citizen-members would &#8216;support&#8217; them through paying their taxes should they become ill, unemployed &#8211; when they retired &#8211; etc.<br />
- so &#8216;human nature&#8217; here does play a part: if a society can achieve enough solidarity (just enough &#8211; not total), then a functioning welfare system, based on at least a minimal level of mutal trust &#8211; can come into being &#8211; so some kind of basic income could be envisaged, but only on bounded in specific national/regional communities with enough of a sense of common citizenship</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Burns</title>
		<link>http://www.redpepper.org.uk/david-harvey-interview-the-importance-of-postcapitalist-imagination/#comment-228221</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Aug 2013 18:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One last point on this oft cited problem of ‘human nature’. A socialist state rather than a capitalist state is meant to deal with that problem effectively. A capitalist state surrenders to the pure corruption of capitalist human nature. In contrast a socialist state attempts to confront such pure corruption capitalism and ensures that the powers of the state are wielded only by the formal republic/democratic state. A capitalist state instead corruptly grants state powers to be wielded by the ignoble capitalists for their own whims and advancement.

Just as one example of this the first plank of the Communist Manifesto calls for the application of all economic rents to the public treasury. This is merely another way of saying we require the state not explicitly nor tacitly grant the ignoble powers to privately tax others through economic-rent-taking. In contrast capitalism surrenders to the corruption of capitalist ‘human nature’ by no longer demanding such strict adherence to the republican/democratic ideals of the bourgeois revolution. Once that corruption door is opened it leads to the pure corruption of capitalism.

So a socialist state deals effectively with the oft cited problem of ‘human nature’ (though I think we are really talking about the nature of humans coping with the pure corruption of capitalism). A capitalist state surrenders completely to the corruption of capitalism. It stops trying at all to confront such corruption. A socialist state both punishes capitalism, frowns upon capitalism, and thus allows the equality before the law and autonomous fulfillment of those no longer forced to cope with capitalism to flourish. The measures within a socialist state that rein in the capitalist abuses also make space for human beings to express a different side of their nature. In contrast a capitalist state both rewards the capitalist impulses (adverse incentive) and rewards the most sociopathic capitalists (adverse selection) and thus undermines the liberty of everyone else (with socialism we have nothing to lose but our chains).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One last point on this oft cited problem of ‘human nature’. A socialist state rather than a capitalist state is meant to deal with that problem effectively. A capitalist state surrenders to the pure corruption of capitalist human nature. In contrast a socialist state attempts to confront such pure corruption capitalism and ensures that the powers of the state are wielded only by the formal republic/democratic state. A capitalist state instead corruptly grants state powers to be wielded by the ignoble capitalists for their own whims and advancement.</p>
<p>Just as one example of this the first plank of the Communist Manifesto calls for the application of all economic rents to the public treasury. This is merely another way of saying we require the state not explicitly nor tacitly grant the ignoble powers to privately tax others through economic-rent-taking. In contrast capitalism surrenders to the corruption of capitalist ‘human nature’ by no longer demanding such strict adherence to the republican/democratic ideals of the bourgeois revolution. Once that corruption door is opened it leads to the pure corruption of capitalism.</p>
<p>So a socialist state deals effectively with the oft cited problem of ‘human nature’ (though I think we are really talking about the nature of humans coping with the pure corruption of capitalism). A capitalist state surrenders completely to the corruption of capitalism. It stops trying at all to confront such corruption. A socialist state both punishes capitalism, frowns upon capitalism, and thus allows the equality before the law and autonomous fulfillment of those no longer forced to cope with capitalism to flourish. The measures within a socialist state that rein in the capitalist abuses also make space for human beings to express a different side of their nature. In contrast a capitalist state both rewards the capitalist impulses (adverse incentive) and rewards the most sociopathic capitalists (adverse selection) and thus undermines the liberty of everyone else (with socialism we have nothing to lose but our chains).</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Burns</title>
		<link>http://www.redpepper.org.uk/david-harvey-interview-the-importance-of-postcapitalist-imagination/#comment-228220</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Aug 2013 17:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On the issue of homes (really all ‘real estate’) and the distinction between exchange value and use value it is worth considering our contemporary common law tradition that we inherit from our feudalist past.

In feudalism there were two ways to grant exclusive use of land. One way is to grant usufruct which is the mere use of the land. The other way is to grant title which grants the privilege to also take exchange value from use of the land (to sublet the land). In the bourgeois revolutions, that oft cited ‘human nature’ led us to mistakenly adopt a ubiquitous grant of title (which in the US is explicitly prohibited by our US Constitution), and instead have implicitly granted title in land. Such title in land encourages rampant rent-seeking and power-mongering and undermines the access to use the land.

Such economic rents amount to what we call in the US ‘taxation without representation’ and when such taxation is privatized it leaves the government to find new novel forms of taxation to replace that pilfering of the public treasury. End the granting of title and we recover for the public treasury an abundance that would allow at least a modest guaranteed income (though such a social welfare guaranteed income becomes largely unnecessary when we live up to the unbending republic ideals of such a socialist state).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the issue of homes (really all ‘real estate’) and the distinction between exchange value and use value it is worth considering our contemporary common law tradition that we inherit from our feudalist past.</p>
<p>In feudalism there were two ways to grant exclusive use of land. One way is to grant usufruct which is the mere use of the land. The other way is to grant title which grants the privilege to also take exchange value from use of the land (to sublet the land). In the bourgeois revolutions, that oft cited ‘human nature’ led us to mistakenly adopt a ubiquitous grant of title (which in the US is explicitly prohibited by our US Constitution), and instead have implicitly granted title in land. Such title in land encourages rampant rent-seeking and power-mongering and undermines the access to use the land.</p>
<p>Such economic rents amount to what we call in the US ‘taxation without representation’ and when such taxation is privatized it leaves the government to find new novel forms of taxation to replace that pilfering of the public treasury. End the granting of title and we recover for the public treasury an abundance that would allow at least a modest guaranteed income (though such a social welfare guaranteed income becomes largely unnecessary when we live up to the unbending republic ideals of such a socialist state).</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Burns</title>
		<link>http://www.redpepper.org.uk/david-harvey-interview-the-importance-of-postcapitalist-imagination/#comment-228217</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Aug 2013 17:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think we have gotten past the point of mere imagining. The various components of capitalist’s solution, have been developed by capitalism itself. It has already dug its own grave and is now standing precariously atop that abyss. It is merely waiting patiently for us to push it in that hole and cover it over. A mercy killing indeed, but a killing of an an inhuman process—capitalism—for the mercy of the entire Earth. 

Path to Prosperity for US All﻿ shows just one way to finish the job capitalism started for us: https://www.facebook.com/PathToProsperityForAll]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we have gotten past the point of mere imagining. The various components of capitalist’s solution, have been developed by capitalism itself. It has already dug its own grave and is now standing precariously atop that abyss. It is merely waiting patiently for us to push it in that hole and cover it over. A mercy killing indeed, but a killing of an an inhuman process—capitalism—for the mercy of the entire Earth. </p>
<p>Path to Prosperity for US All﻿ shows just one way to finish the job capitalism started for us: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/PathToProsperityForAll" rel="nofollow">https://www.facebook.com/PathToProsperityForAll</a></p>
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		<title>By: pudding</title>
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		<dc:creator>pudding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Aug 2013 10:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with David Harvey that much more notice has to be taken of the use value rather than the exchange value, but I think a world of disappearing money will not wash with the majority and that simple redistribution is a better idea.

Donnard White is asking why the twentieth century communist regimes were totalitarian. The truth is that communism only succeeded in countries where there was hardly any proletariat - something that is completely necessary according to Marx. They therefore had to create one quickly and that needed a great deal of coercion. This would not be necessary in the developed societies of the present. We need to look at why the left was only powerful in countries that were ill-suited to it.

In those times it was a case of capital vs. the state in a battle to control the economy. The fall of these ‘command economies’ seems to prove that state control doesn’t work. But what about the people? We should start a new struggle for control involving capital vs. the people: If the economy was democratised then it would not be the rich elite who controlled it but people in general, and it would be more likely to produce what people want, as David Harvey wants. It could be done by having co-op style memberships of large corporations to keep shareholders in check.

If anybody is interested in these ideas try www.therealcommunity.weebly]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with David Harvey that much more notice has to be taken of the use value rather than the exchange value, but I think a world of disappearing money will not wash with the majority and that simple redistribution is a better idea.</p>
<p>Donnard White is asking why the twentieth century communist regimes were totalitarian. The truth is that communism only succeeded in countries where there was hardly any proletariat &#8211; something that is completely necessary according to Marx. They therefore had to create one quickly and that needed a great deal of coercion. This would not be necessary in the developed societies of the present. We need to look at why the left was only powerful in countries that were ill-suited to it.</p>
<p>In those times it was a case of capital vs. the state in a battle to control the economy. The fall of these ‘command economies’ seems to prove that state control doesn’t work. But what about the people? We should start a new struggle for control involving capital vs. the people: If the economy was democratised then it would not be the rich elite who controlled it but people in general, and it would be more likely to produce what people want, as David Harvey wants. It could be done by having co-op style memberships of large corporations to keep shareholders in check.</p>
<p>If anybody is interested in these ideas try <a href="http://www.therealcommunity.weebly" rel="nofollow">http://www.therealcommunity.weebly</a></p>
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		<title>By: Donnard White</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donnard White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Aug 2013 17:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a bit puzzled as to how anyone looking at my previous contribution could think I was in any way defending capitalism. But we certainly need to discuss alternatives to it, and why the previous ones screwed up - in detail. Or else we will make the same mistakes over and over again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a bit puzzled as to how anyone looking at my previous contribution could think I was in any way defending capitalism. But we certainly need to discuss alternatives to it, and why the previous ones screwed up &#8211; in detail. Or else we will make the same mistakes over and over again.</p>
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		<title>By: Banelion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Banelion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Aug 2013 22:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Id like comment briefly on Donnard Whites comment. Specifically on the &quot;...that most communist societies turned into totalitarian nightmares...&quot; by pointing out that quite a lot of capitalist societies are totalitarian nightmares right now. 

So if the fact that USSR and others were totalitarian makes any idea related to communism a totally stupid idea then why doesnt the fact that a large percentage of capitalist countries in africa and asia are nightmare totalitarian states make all ideas about capitalism stupid? Certainly average person in communist USSR (or USSR colonies like Checzoslovakia or East Germany) lived better than average person in capitalist african countries (or capitalist colonies like Honduras and Haiti or indeed huge swathes of the capitalist world) did or indeed does now. Everyone in communist Yugoslavia (before &quot;market reforms&quot; where they instituted forms of capitalism)certainly lived better than many people in developed countries. It is useful for propagandistic purposes to compare totally backward countries who are under constant attack by a coalition of worlds superpowers against said superpowers, who as a matter of course rob most of the world to get their wealth. Why not compare backward communist countries against backward capitalist countries? I would suggest that communist countries compared quite well. An excellent illustration is Russia, who, after switching from communism to capitalism took a nose dive in living standards of russians and never recovered.

That is not to say that communism as it was practiced in the USSR or similar countries is something to aspire to. But certainly specific ideas that communist countries preached (usually not practiced) are quite valid for debate.

Also i have found that constant references to &quot;human nature&quot; (which nobody in the world knows anything about) are just propagandistic bullshit. If there is anything that is known about human nature it is the fact that the way a person behaves is in a huge degree dependant on the circumstances of ones upbringing. In other words, if you live in a society where the dominant institutions (the market) promote greed and dishonesty then by process of natural selection people will be selected for those traits and thus those traits will be magnified. However if one would grow up in society whose institutions positively select for some positive traits like solidarity and emphaty then people those traits are going to be magnified. Certainly only an incredibly closed mind would argue that those different institutions should not be considered.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Id like comment briefly on Donnard Whites comment. Specifically on the &#8220;&#8230;that most communist societies turned into totalitarian nightmares&#8230;&#8221; by pointing out that quite a lot of capitalist societies are totalitarian nightmares right now. </p>
<p>So if the fact that USSR and others were totalitarian makes any idea related to communism a totally stupid idea then why doesnt the fact that a large percentage of capitalist countries in africa and asia are nightmare totalitarian states make all ideas about capitalism stupid? Certainly average person in communist USSR (or USSR colonies like Checzoslovakia or East Germany) lived better than average person in capitalist african countries (or capitalist colonies like Honduras and Haiti or indeed huge swathes of the capitalist world) did or indeed does now. Everyone in communist Yugoslavia (before &#8220;market reforms&#8221; where they instituted forms of capitalism)certainly lived better than many people in developed countries. It is useful for propagandistic purposes to compare totally backward countries who are under constant attack by a coalition of worlds superpowers against said superpowers, who as a matter of course rob most of the world to get their wealth. Why not compare backward communist countries against backward capitalist countries? I would suggest that communist countries compared quite well. An excellent illustration is Russia, who, after switching from communism to capitalism took a nose dive in living standards of russians and never recovered.</p>
<p>That is not to say that communism as it was practiced in the USSR or similar countries is something to aspire to. But certainly specific ideas that communist countries preached (usually not practiced) are quite valid for debate.</p>
<p>Also i have found that constant references to &#8220;human nature&#8221; (which nobody in the world knows anything about) are just propagandistic bullshit. If there is anything that is known about human nature it is the fact that the way a person behaves is in a huge degree dependant on the circumstances of ones upbringing. In other words, if you live in a society where the dominant institutions (the market) promote greed and dishonesty then by process of natural selection people will be selected for those traits and thus those traits will be magnified. However if one would grow up in society whose institutions positively select for some positive traits like solidarity and emphaty then people those traits are going to be magnified. Certainly only an incredibly closed mind would argue that those different institutions should not be considered.</p>
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		<title>By: Dboydon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dboydon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Aug 2013 13:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I grow increasingly weary of the view that humans are innately selfish and that&#039;s why a new society based on marxism can&#039;t work. Yes. People can be selfish but selfless too. They can be greedy but incredibly generous too. Because of this, I think Harvey&#039;s call  to re imagine an alternative to capitalism (which is the true system that breeds and feeds greed and selfishness) is worthwhile and something with which we should all be engaging.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I grow increasingly weary of the view that humans are innately selfish and that&#8217;s why a new society based on marxism can&#8217;t work. Yes. People can be selfish but selfless too. They can be greedy but incredibly generous too. Because of this, I think Harvey&#8217;s call  to re imagine an alternative to capitalism (which is the true system that breeds and feeds greed and selfishness) is worthwhile and something with which we should all be engaging.</p>
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		<title>By: Donnard White</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donnard White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Aug 2013 09:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I want to briefly comment on Zale58&#039;s comment. My take on this is a bit different - so far as I can see Marx and (no doubt) David Harvey have given a very good account of how societies (and capitalism in particular) develop - but no-one ever seems to talk about communism in anything but the most abstract terms. What do we want to say about communism? I&#039;ve been trying to find something coherent from a marxist point of view on what a communist economy is supposed to look like and to work - everyone knows that most communist societies turned into totalitarian nightmares and I personally would like to see some kind of analysis of why that happened - I have my own questions about all this - about how production and consumption are related when there is no exchange and the social implications of all this - because I think a lot of the problems are evaded. I&#039;d like to see an analysis of how the Soviet economy developed - it might be interesting to compare it to the brief collectivised economy of the Spanish anarchists during the civil war - from &quot;war communism&quot;, NEP on, and why it was abandoned - or what alternatives were being put forward by the radical wing of Solidarnosc in 1981. If anyone knows some good stuff about this online - maybe David Harvey has written something about it - I&#039;d be grateful. I&#039;ve just been reading &quot;The ABC of Communism&quot; written in 1919 by the Bolsheviks Bukarin and Preobrazhensky and much of it struck me, with hindsight, as incredibly niave.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to briefly comment on Zale58&#8242;s comment. My take on this is a bit different &#8211; so far as I can see Marx and (no doubt) David Harvey have given a very good account of how societies (and capitalism in particular) develop &#8211; but no-one ever seems to talk about communism in anything but the most abstract terms. What do we want to say about communism? I&#8217;ve been trying to find something coherent from a marxist point of view on what a communist economy is supposed to look like and to work &#8211; everyone knows that most communist societies turned into totalitarian nightmares and I personally would like to see some kind of analysis of why that happened &#8211; I have my own questions about all this &#8211; about how production and consumption are related when there is no exchange and the social implications of all this &#8211; because I think a lot of the problems are evaded. I&#8217;d like to see an analysis of how the Soviet economy developed &#8211; it might be interesting to compare it to the brief collectivised economy of the Spanish anarchists during the civil war &#8211; from &#8220;war communism&#8221;, NEP on, and why it was abandoned &#8211; or what alternatives were being put forward by the radical wing of Solidarnosc in 1981. If anyone knows some good stuff about this online &#8211; maybe David Harvey has written something about it &#8211; I&#8217;d be grateful. I&#8217;ve just been reading &#8220;The ABC of Communism&#8221; written in 1919 by the Bolsheviks Bukarin and Preobrazhensky and much of it struck me, with hindsight, as incredibly niave.</p>
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