Comments on: Dale Farm: The human cost of prejudice

By: Andrew D Hood

Andrew D Hood — Tue, 17 Apr 2012 16:24:32 +0000

Good artricle on Dale Farm! We need to remember at one time we were all Gypsy style foraging people from half dozen to a dozen millennia ago and life was better and egalitarian. A quick read of Andrew Whiten and David Erdal, British evolutionary psychologists in their work, “On Human Egalitarianism An Evolutionary Poduct of Machiavellian Status Escalation?”

Other work by them has shown how egalitarian life can be better. It’s a life all had going back from the time all were Gypsies and to 100 to 200 millennia ago. Thus all the talk about a new world misses the point. We have had egalitarianism before. Prorgessives don’t need to talk about a new world. There’s nothing new under the sun except for more techonology to destroy this world. We need to stop trying to reinvent the wheel. We have the infomration in the human past to tell us which direction we should be heading. Modern also isn’t worth a damn. Think Luddites.
They had it right.

Progressives including Marxists are looking for tradtional values, and any Western academic when not libeling societies of this type refers to them as tradtional as opposed to Western. Thus giving the lie to Western “civilization” as applied to what these same academiics refer to as Western societies.

Tradtional values means no hierarchy and all for one and one for all.

By: cabinboy2

cabinboy2 — Tue, 10 Apr 2012 08:01:52 +0000

Essex Police.uk
Since my last post the constabulary have issued the report on the eviction at Dale Farm.If you read this in conjunction with the FAQ section of the same site you will find a puzzling inner contradiction.The FAQ section obviously predates the eviction and parades the traditional description of the role of the police as bystanders – only attending such events in order to maintain the Queen’s peace.Reminiscent of the notion that a policeman is just another citizen who has been put into uniform so as to be recognized by the general public in time of need (policing by consent)There is also a recognition on the FAQ that evictions are a matter of civil law not criminal law.
This arouses suspicion that the eviction (by police) with the Bailiffs trotting on behind were dealing with this as a criminal matter – very much as you see them do during a “drugs bust.”
What reason had they for this other than political pressure ?The report lists 15 injuries sustained by officers the first of which tells of an officer falling when climbing over a 1ft wall injuring his knee.The Bailiffs,if they had been conducting the eviction would have had to obey a judges instructions to leave untouched a number of walls,fences and sructures.The police did not feel the need to have regard for these niceties,since they were falling over themselves to gain entry.A spokesperson told reporter that they did this because they had intelligence tha a stockpile of dangerous materials had been established on the site which was a danger to officers,Bailiffs and the general public.This is the strange WMD scenario,worthy of a Tony Blair lookalike.
These two police documents will give you plenty to think about but nothing emerges about who authorised such innovative tactics (riot policing a civil case).Was it the leader of Basidon Council,the chief constable of Essex,someone in the Home Office (see the financal statement in the report)or someone at no.10 Downing street ? ? ?

By: Steviiiiieeee

Steviiiiieeee — Mon, 09 Apr 2012 10:42:48 +0000

http://www.economist.com/node/21542792

Apologies for having muddled up my sources this is what I have quoted from in the previous post. However it reiterates what my thoughts about facts. Why is there no reference to this in the hearing?

By: Steviiiiieeee

Steviiiiieeee — Mon, 09 Apr 2012 10:33:39 +0000

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/0322/breaking30.html

I have never read anything so ridiculous. Having been offered alternative accommadation of BOTH a traditional and non-traditional sort, I quote, the defense is actually given time to bend the truth with strange cliches about “depression” and “aversions to concrete and mortar”. I wonder about whether this is genuine or a clever distortion of the facts.

By: cabinboy 2

cabinboy 2 — Fri, 16 Mar 2012 13:22:21 +0000

The Council of Europe of which GB was a member on its foundation in 1949 and which was ratified in 62 was formed as a result of WW11 and the enormous upheaval and damage caused.THe idea was for nations to seek for solutions other than violence when there is a conflict of interests.The committeee of Ministers would meet on a regular basis to discuss relevant matters in order to find peaceful solutions.
In recent years membership has increased:now 47 countries are involved and the cttee foresee problems arising from the movement of populations and the large number of people seeking refugee status or political asylum.Member States have been asked to describe their attitude and form a strategy.Some countries had not replied promptly and the Commissioner was enquiring about the British response when it was announced that HMG were offering funds to provide more sites for Travellers.
This meant brownie points for us.However the leader of Basildon council then threw a spanner in the works by the forced eviction at Dale Farm.This prompted the Commissioner to write to Eric Pickles.(March the first,2012,Independent /opinion)
It was precisely this use of force that the CoE was formed to outlaw.Moreover the United Nations has already said that all member States should do everthing in their power to prevent forced evictions-at national and local level.Such evictions are cruel and unnecessary and victims should be given suitable accomodation and be compensated for the trauma of being made homeless.
None of this takes place in Essex.On the contrary the leader is pursuing the survivors with threats of further actions.There are an estimated 8oom people in the care of the CoE and they will all be able to see where poor leadership has ruined our reputation.

By: Jason

Jason — Mon, 05 Mar 2012 18:55:30 +0000

Yes carole, I wonder what it will be like when the mercenaries start taking over police duties.
Makes you shudder to think doesn’t it

By: gerry oates

gerry oates — Mon, 05 Mar 2012 12:39:35 +0000

Timelapse is something to remember.In 1985 I was ready with lots of volunteers in Wiltshire to respond to calls for help from the Peace convoy.We saw them enter the ring road round Salisbury and I waived to them from a bridge.They waived back and that was the last we saw of them.Those were the days before mobile phones.They had been taken out into the country and ambushed,their vehicles/homes impounded and all of them (approx 450 souls)taken into custody in places s far away as the midlands.This episode is so called the battle (?) of he Beanfield. Six years later a small group took the police to court for assault,damage to property,and unlawful arrest.They won the case but were denied a judicial inquiry they were calling for.1200 officers from six separate forces took part and the cost was reported to be £800,000. No regard the the human cost inflicted upon those travellers. I see a resemblance with the eviction at Dale Farm. alisbury

By: carole

carole — Sun, 04 Mar 2012 08:50:04 +0000

having been @ dale farm before & during the eviction i can certainly confirm it was violent, it was unjust & it was totally without ordinary human compassion. BUT when you were dealing with the police @ least you knew WHO you were dealing with & there was a mechanism in place, however flawed, for some sort of redress. the bailiffs were a different cup of tea (rather glad they hadn’t been given access to tasers!)

but but but

if the plans for police privatization go ahead the idea of that old horror, the police state, may seem a bit of a luxury! (irony, obviously)

yeah, reporting a rape to a security firm thug? a private security firm in charge of the next (& there will be one) dale farm style eviction? one can only hope they might seize & smoke large caches of illegal drugs & will be found in a senseless heap on a town center pavement somewhere. but i fantasize!

By: Jason

Jason — Sat, 03 Mar 2012 19:08:32 +0000

I am a lifelong resident of Basildon.
So I think I can honestly mention the double standards of Basildon council concerning this eviction and green spaces in general.
They played the Dale farm green belt card over and over ( still don’t quite understand how a former scraps yard is green belt) yet build on parks and other green spaces within the Basildon area regardless of public opinion. There has also been an argument about developing a whole new village at dry street, Basildon which is a beautiful part of the countryside (green belt).
I still think that the council wanted Dale farm for future development, once the fuss dies away.
Also crays hill is a very posh area, if the illegal site was in Basildon, laindon, pitsea or vange then I don’t think the eviction would have taken place

By: dan

dan — Sat, 03 Mar 2012 18:13:10 +0000

I agree wholeheartedly with your comments concerning the Dale Fam Travellers. The vile and violent as well as illegal eviction was a disgrace, so much so that all members of the government prefer not to talk about the Panorama broadcast, that showed us the vile and evil polce driven eviction. Thank God for Dale Farm Solidarity, and the newly formed Traveller Solidarity Network.