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		<title>Libyan Developments: interview with Gilbert Achcar</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gilbert Archar interviewed by Stephen R. Shalom about the situation in Libya.]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Who is the Libyan  opposition? Some have noted the presence of the old monarchist flag in  rebel ranks.</p>
<p></strong>This flag is not used as a  symbol of the monarchy, but as the flag that the Libyan state adopted  after it won independence from Italy. It is used by the uprising in  order to reject the Green Flag imposed by Gaddafi along with his <em>Green  Book</em>, when he was aping Mao Zedong and his <em>Little Red Book</em>.  In no way does the tricolor flag indicate nostalgia for the monarchy. In  the most common interpretation, it symbolizes the three historic  regions of Libya, and the crescent and star are the same symbols you see  on the flags of the Algerian, Tunisian and Turkish republics, not  symbols of monarchism.</p>
<p>So who is the opposition? The composition of the opposition is &#8212; as in  all the other revolts shaking the region &#8212; very heterogeneous. What  unites all the disparate forces is a rejection of the dictatorship and a  longing for democracy and human rights. Beyond that, there are many  different perspectives. In Libya, more particularly, there is a mixture  of human rights activists, democracy advocates, intellectuals, tribal  elements, and Islamic forces &#8212; a very broad collection. The most  prominent political force in the Libyan uprising is the &#8220;Youth of the  17th of February Revolution,&#8221; which has a democratic platform, calling  for the rule of law, political freedoms, and free elections. The Libyan  movement also includes sections of the government and the armed forces  that have broken away and joined the opposition &#8212; which you didn&#8217;t have  in Tunisia or Egypt.</p>
<p>So the Libyan opposition represents a mixture of forces, and the bottom  line is that there is no reason for any different attitude toward them  than to any other of the mass uprisings in the region.</p>
<p><strong>Is Gaddafi &#8212; or was Gaddafi &#8212; a progressive figure?</p>
<p></strong>When Gaddafi came to power in 1969 he was a late manifestation of  the wave of Arab nationalism that followed World War II and the 1948  Nakba. He tried to imitate Egyptian leader Gamal Abdel Nasser, who he  regarded as his model and inspiration. So he replaced the monarchy with a  republic, championed Arab unity, forced the withdrawal of the U.S.&#8217;s  Wheelus Airbase from Libyan territory, and initiated a program of social  change.</p>
<p>Then the regime moved in its own way, along the path of radicalization,  inspired by an Islamized Maoism. There were sweeping nationalizations  in the late 1970s &#8212; almost everything was nationalized. Gaddafi claimed  to have instituted direct democracy &#8212; and formally changed the name of  the country from Republic to State of the Masses (Jamahiriya). He  pretended that he had turned the country into the fulfillment of  socialist utopia with direct democracy, but few were fooled. The  &#8220;revolutionary committees&#8221; were actually acting as a ruling apparatus  along with the security services in controlling the country. At the same  time, Gaddafi also played an especially reactionary role in  reinvigorating tribalism as a tool for his own power. His foreign policy  became increasingly foolhardy, and most Arabs came to consider him  crazy.</p>
<p>With the Soviet Union in crisis, Gaddafi shifted away from his  socialist pretensions and re-opened his economy to Western business. He  asserted that his economic liberalization would be accompanied by a  political one, aping Gorbachev&#8217;s perestroika after having aped Mao  Zedong&#8217;s &#8220;cultural revolution,&#8221; but the political claim was an empty  one. When the United States invaded Iraq in 2003 under the pretext of  searching for &#8220;weapons of mass destruction,&#8221; Gaddafi, worried that he  might be next, implemented a sudden and surprising turnabout in foreign  policy, earning himself a spectacular upgrade from the status of &#8220;rogue  state&#8221; to that of close collaborator of Western states. A collaborator  in particular of the United States, which he helped in its so-called war  on terror, and Italy, for which he did the dirty job of turning back  would-be immigrants trying to get from Africa to Europe.</p>
<p>Throughout these metamorphoses, Gaddafi&#8217;s regime was always a  dictatorship. Whatever early progressive measures Gaddafi may have  enacted, there was nothing left of progressivism or anti-imperialism in  his regime in the last phase. Its dictatorial character showed itself in  the way he reacted to the protests: immediately deciding to quell them  by force. There was no attempt to offer any kind of democratic outlet  for the population. He warned the protesters in a now famous  tragic-comic speech: &#8220;We will come inch by inch, home by home, alley by  alley &#8230; We will find you in your closets. We will have no mercy and no  pity.&#8221; Not a surprise, knowing that Gaddafi was the only Arab ruler who  publicly blamed the Tunisian people for having toppled their own  dictator Ben Ali, whom he described as the best ruler the Tunisians  would find.</p>
<p>Gaddafi resorted to threats and violent repression, claiming that the  protesters had been turned into drug addicts by Al Qaeda, who poured  hallucinogens in their coffees. Blaming Al Qaeda for the uprising was  his way of trying to get the support of the West. Had there been any  offer of help from Washington or Rome, you can be sure that Gaddafi  would have gladly welcomed it. He actually expressed his bitter  disappointment at the attitude of his buddy Silvio Berlusconi, the  Italian prime minister, with whom he enjoyed partying, and complained  that his other European &#8220;friends&#8221; also betrayed him. In the last few  years, Gaddafi had indeed become a friend of several Western rulers and  other establishment figures who, for a fistful of dollars, have been  willing to ridicule themselves exchanging hugs with him. Anthony Giddens  himself, the distinguished theoretician of Tony Blair&#8217;s Third Way,  followed in his disciple&#8217;s steps by paying a visit to Gaddafi in 2007  and writing in the <em>Guardian</em> how Libya was on the path of  reform and on its way to becoming the Norway of the Middle East.</p>
<p><strong>What is your assessment of UN Security Council resolution  1973 adopted on March 17?</p>
<p></strong>The resolution itself is phrased in a way that takes into  consideration &#8212; and appears to respond to &#8212; the request by the  uprising for a no-fly zone. The opposition has indeed explicitly called  for a no-fly zone, on the condition that no foreign troops be deployed  on Libyan territory. Gaddafi has the bulk of the elite armed forces,  with aircraft and tanks, and the no-fly zone would indeed neutralize his  main military advantage. This request of the uprising is reflected in  the text of the resolution, which authorizes UN member states &#8220;to take all  necessary measures &#8230; to protect  civilians and civilian populated areas under threat of attack in the  Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, including Benghazi, while excluding a foreign  occupation force of any form on any part of Libyan territory.&#8221; The resolution establishes &#8220;a  ban on all flights in the airspace of the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya in  order to help protect civilians.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now there are not enough  safeguards in the wording of the resolution to bar its use for  imperialist purposes. Although the purpose of any action is supposed to  be the protection of civilians, and not &#8220;regime change,&#8221; the  determination of whether an action meets this purpose or not is left up  to the intervening powers and not to the uprising, or even the Security  Council. The resolution is amazingly confused. But given the urgency of  preventing the massacre that would have inevitably resulted from an  assault on Benghazi by Gaddafi&#8217;s forces, and the absence of any  alternative means of achieving the protection goal, no one can  reasonably oppose it. One can understand the abstentions; some of the  five states who abstained in the UNSC vote wanted to express their  defiance and/or unhappiness with the lack of adequate oversight, but  without taking the responsibility for an impending massacre.</p>
<p>The Western response, of course, smacks of oil. The West fears a long  drawn out conflict. If there is a major massacre, they would have to  impose an embargo on Libyan oil, thus keeping oil prices at a high level  at a time when, given the current state of the global economy, this  would have major adverse consequences. Some countries, including the  United States, acted reluctantly. Only France emerged as very much in  favor of strong action, which might well be connected to the fact that  France &#8212; unlike Germany (which abstained in the UNSC vote), Britain,  and, above all, Italy &#8212; does not have a major stake in Libyan oil, and  certainly hopes to get a greater share post-Gaddafi.</p>
<p>We all know about the Western powers&#8217; pretexts and double standards.  For example, their alleged concern about harm to civilians bombarded  from the air did not seem to apply in Gaza in 2008-09, when hundreds of  noncombatants were being killed by Israeli warplanes in furtherance of  an illegal occupation. Or the fact that the US allows its client regime  in Bahrain, where it has a major naval base, to violently repress the  local uprising, with the help of other regional vassals of Washington.</p>
<p>The fact remains, nevertheless, that if Gaddafi were permitted to  continue his military offensive and take Benghazi, there would be a  major massacre. Here is a case where a population is truly in danger,  and where there is no plausible alternative that could protect it. The  attack by Gaddafi&#8217;s forces was hours or at most days away. You can&#8217;t in  the name of anti-imperialist principles oppose an action that will  prevent the massacre of civilians. In the same way, even though we know  well the nature and double standards of cops in the bourgeois state, you  can&#8217;t in the name of anti-capitalist principles blame anybody for  calling them when someone is on the point of being raped and there is no  alternative way of stopping the rapists.</p>
<p>This said, without coming out against the no-fly zone, we must express  defiance and advocate full vigilance in monitoring the actions of those  states carrying it out, to make sure that they don&#8217;t go beyond  protecting civilians as mandated by the UNSC resolution. In watching on  TV the crowds in Benghazi cheering the passage of the resolution, I saw a  big billboard in their middle that said in Arabic &#8220;No to foreign  intervention.&#8221; People there make a distinction between &#8220;foreign  intervention&#8221; by which they mean troops on the ground, and a protective  no-fly zone. They oppose foreign troops. They are aware of the dangers  and wisely don&#8217;t trust Western powers.</p>
<p>So, to sum up, I believe that from an anti-imperialist perspective one  cannot and should not oppose the no-fly zone, given that there is no  plausible alternative for protecting the endangered population. The  Egyptians are reported to be providing weapons to the Libyan opposition  &#8212; and that&#8217;s fine &#8212; but on its own it couldn&#8217;t have made a difference  that would have saved Benghazi in time. But again, one must maintain a  very critical attitude toward what the Western powers might do.</p>
<p><strong>What&#8217;s going to happen now?</p>
<p></strong>It&#8217;s difficult to tell what will happen now. The UN Security  Council resolution did not call for regime change; it&#8217;s about protecting  civilians. The future of the Gaddafi regime is uncertain. The key  question is whether we will see the resumption of the uprising in  western Libya, including Tripoli, leading to a disintegration of the  regime&#8217;s armed forces. If that occurs, then Gaddafi may be ousted soon.  But if the regime manages to remain firmly in control in the west, then  there will be a de facto division of the country &#8212; even though the  resolution affirms the territorial integrity and national unity of  Libya. This may be what the regime has chosen, as it has just announced  its compliance with the UN resolution and proclaimed a ceasefire. What  we might then have is a prolonged stalemate, with Gaddafi controlling  the west and the opposition the east. It will obviously take time before  the opposition can incorporate the weapons it is receiving from and  through Egypt to the point of becoming able to inflict military defeat  on Gaddafi&#8217;s forces. Given the nature of the Libyan territory, this can  only be a regular war rather than a popular one, a war of movement over  vast stretches of territory. That&#8217;s why the outcome is hard to predict.  The bottom line here again is that we should support the victory of the  Libyan democratic uprising. Its defeat at the hands of Gaddafi would be a  severe backlash negatively affecting the revolutionary wave that is  currently shaking the Middle East and North Africa.</p>
<p>Gilbert Achcar grew up in  Lebanon, and is currently Professor at the School of Oriental and  African Studies (SOAS) of the University of London. His books include <em>The Clash of Barbarisms: The Making of the New World Disorder</em>,  published in 13 languages, <em>Perilous Power: The Middle East  and U.S. Foreign Policy</em>, co-authored with Noam Chomsky, and most  recently <em>The Arabs and the Holocaust: The Arab-Israeli War  of Narratives</em>. He was  interviewed by Stephen R. Shalom.</p>
<p>This interview originally appeared on Znet</p>
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